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Author Topic: Are agnostics welcome?


wbbarnes
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Are agnostics welcome?
on: January 3, 2019, 15:54

The "Principles" on your website appear incompatible with agnosticism: "All religion is a lie since it is based on a false premise – God or gods exist." Have I misunderstood?...



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Re: Are agnostics welcome?
on: January 3, 2019, 16:04

Hi William,
I'm sure Atheism UK have agnostic members. This page shows the many varieties of atheists and agnostics https://www.atheismuk.com/agnosticism/



wbbarnes
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Re: Are agnostics welcome?
on: January 3, 2019, 18:19

Thanks for the reply, and the implicit welcome.

My problem is that your "principles" include that statement which is "strong atheism".

I would like to join but I cannot affirm that statement, or several of the other strongly "anti-theist" ones (with an asterisk) that also came from David Silverman.

All religions are prey to exploitation and corruption by those seeking power over the gullible, but the dogmatic insistence that all religions are malevolent, corrupt and corrupting strikes me as needlessly combative. It leaves no room for the possibility that some theists are meekly struggling to understand existence.

Can I ask how these principles became adopted? Is there a mechanism by which they might be pruned to be more widely acceptable?
I can't, for example, offer to join and then contribute to an AGM debate over editing the list of principles, as I can't join honestly when I don't agree with the current principles.

I am looking for a group promoting rationality and reason, who will confront the dogma of ideologues but not condemn the non-judgmental truth-seeker as a hateful bigot by lumping all theists together.

Hope you can help.



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Re: Are agnostics welcome?
on: January 3, 2019, 20:44

Hi William,
David Silverman was President of American Atheists. He gave a talk to Atheism UK in July 2017. The Silverman points were included on our Principles page but never ratified by Atheism UK Council. The Council will review these points latest by April 2019. Meanwhile, I've updated this page: https://www.atheismuk.com/about/principles/ and have deleted the Silverman comments.



wbbarnes
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Re: Are agnostics welcome?
on: January 3, 2019, 21:40

Gosh, now I really feel welcome!

I have just joined, thank you very much.

I look forward to meeting you sometime.
Regards,
William



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Re: Are agnostics welcome?
on: January 4, 2019, 09:26

Thanks William,

Chris Street

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