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Author Topic: Individualism vs collectivism.


Daniel-
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Individualism vs collectivism.
on: May 12, 2019, 15:34

As an atheist i pride myself on my individuality and espouse it whenever possible. This naturally leads me to oppose the goals of collective rights for religious organizations and groups but also it leads me to stand against other non-religious ideas and stances that are deeply rooted in collectivism.

This i feel leads to great divides within the atheist community as a whole and needs to be discussed frankly and openly to try and minimize the damage it cause and to understand everyone's standpoints on it. My goal in creating this post is to open up discussion and so build bridges.

First i want to lay out what i feel these non-religious collectivist ideas are so people can understand where i'm coming from and why i feel they are negative to society. collectivist ideas i feel value the rights of groups above that of the rights of individuals. you see this most prominently in the dominant culture at most universities today in which policies are crafted to prioritize certain group identifies over other people to try and create a more equal society normally at the expense of egalitarianism and equality of opportunity. A perfect example of this is how universities score applicants who want to do a course at the university. depending on the race, sex, gender identity and other boxes they will either lower or rise the required grade they need to be admitted to the course. This is at the excuse of trying to make things fairer for students of certain groups but from an individualistic perspective discriminates against certain individuals based on arbitrary characteristics that they cannot control. I would argue this is unjust and discriminatory.

This is just one example but I hope it can illustrate my thoughts on why basing groups rights over individual rights is wrong and hope people can create an interesting and reasonable discussion.



Alcuin
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Re: Individualism vs collectivism.
on: May 13, 2019, 15:23

Too true. Another (very different) example is faith schools. Polls consistently show that about 2 in 3 British people don't want them, but politicians run scared of the power of religious lobbies, such as the Catholic Parliamentary Office. James Arbuthnot MP famously said that he could only openly state his atheism when he left the Tory Party. In those cases, the collective power of organised religion or political party manage to nullify the wishes of the clear majority.

Even today, the latest poll in the USA indicates that only 60% of USAmericans would vote for an atheist for President.

Yes, individuality mustn't be subsumed by collectivism.



Three Legs-
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Re: Individualism vs collectivism.
on: June 28, 2019, 10:46

Quote from Alcuin on May 13, 2019, 15:23
Too true. Another (very different) example is faith schools. Polls consistently show that about 2 in 3 British people don't want them, but politicians run scared of the power of religious lobbies, such as the Catholic Parliamentary Office. James Arbuthnot MP famously said that he could only openly state his atheism when he left the Tory Party. In those cases, the collective power of organised religion or political party manage to nullify the wishes of the clear majority.

Even today, the latest poll in the USA indicates that only 60% of USAmericans would vote for an atheist for President.

Yes, individuality mustn't be subsumed by collectivism.

Let's cut to the chase on this one.

Let's talk about the religtard collective v's the individual Atheist.

The religtard collective claims that it is about peace, love, understanding and acceptance. It claims to be about poverty and protection of the weak.

The reality is that the cat licker church is the richest entity on the planet. One high-ranking cat licker official stated publicly that the church has so much wealth, it does not know how rich it is.

Does it not say in the babble that it is more difficult to for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god?

Let's talk about peace now. It has been estimated that the christard church has murdered somewhere between 100 - 200 million souls since they first existed. That number does not include the additional millions that have been raped, pillaged, tortured and enslaved. Just to put this in perspective, Hitler murdered 10 million Jews. He is considered to be one of the most evil people that has ever lived and yet christards have murdered at least ten times more people and are considered to be good people. Hitler was even a christard and believed that he was doing god's work.

Let's now talk about understanding and acceptance. The anti-Gay laws were the direct result of the garbage in the babble. So much for understanding and acceptance.

And last but not least. Barely a day goes by these days without a new revelation relating to the rape of young children by the clergy of the world and a subsequent cover-up by their church. So much for the protection of the weak. One ex-archbishop recently stated that although paedophillia exists in all walks of life, it seems to have found a home in the church.

I completely agree, individuality mustn't be subsumed by collectivism.

It is only too obvious that religtardology, and particularly christardology, only exists for the purpose of exploiting the weak and the superstitious.

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