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Author Topic: UK university students who "believe in" intelligent design!


Alcuin
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UK university students who "believe in" intelligent design!
on: June 12, 2019, 17:25

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2006/aug/15/highereducation.students

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..Such views are less unusual among UK students than you might think. In a survey last month, more than 12% questioned preferred creationism - the idea God created us within the past 10,000 years - to any other explanation of how we got here. Another 19% favoured the theory of intelligent design - that some features of living things are due to a supernatural being such as God. This means more than 30% believe our origins have more to do with God than with Darwin - evolution theory rang true for only 56%...
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And 40% of USAmericans think having a dim-witted egotist as President and leader of the free world makes sense.

As the saying goes - you can cure ignorance with information, but there's no cure for stupid.



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Re: UK university students who "believe in" intelligent design!
on: June 17, 2019, 19:47

Quote from Alcuin on June 12, 2019, 17:25
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2006/aug/15/highereducation.students

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..Such views are less unusual among UK students than you might think. In a survey last month, more than 12% questioned preferred creationism - the idea God created us within the past 10,000 years - to any other explanation of how we got here. Another 19% favoured the theory of intelligent design - that some features of living things are due to a supernatural being such as God. This means more than 30% believe our origins have more to do with God than with Darwin - evolution theory rang true for only 56%...
unquote.

And 40% of USAmericans think having a dim-witted egotist as President and leader of the free world makes sense.

As the saying goes - you can cure ignorance with information, but there's no cure for stupid.

There are two problems with how the universe was created and how we were created (evolution).

The first is that people's minds don't readily accept the possibility that the universe was created from nothing and was acausal, even though, logically, this is a perfectly reasonable and sound explanation.

The second is that humans find it relatively easy to comprehend what can naturally be achieved in time-spans of the order of years, tens of years, hundreds of years or, at a push, thousands of years. When it comes to millions or even billions of years, that's more of a challenge. Also, because evolution only happens slowly in most organisms, humans do not observe 'evolution in action' and therefore are able to easily dismiss it.

Also, evolution, just like randomness, isn't that clearly understood by many and here's a good example. When people hear the phrase being used: 'Once in a 100 year flood event', they are shocked when they get flooded. Why? Because it's often interpreted as a flood that won't happen for the next 100 years. Therefore they assume that they are safe from flooding in their lifetime. Also, a 'One in a million chance' is often interpreted as 'it won't ever happen'. People also see evolution in terms of a 'planned migration' from an origin to an end point rather than as the result of a process which involves randomness and the survival of the 'fittest'.

Ignorance in christards is understandable, but it's so sad that in this day and age, there's so much ignorance in Universities.



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Re: UK university students who "believe in" intelligent design!
on: June 18, 2019, 10:51

Yes, I agree TL&AW, but I think that some people feel that 'nothing' means that, by definition, nothing can exist. "Nothing comes from nothing", as I think the Monty Python gang once said. That's part of the problem.

I would also add that religionists in particular, often seem to see fantastical coincidences everywhere. They don't seem to see that what is successful and what works tends to exist and what is less so tends to die out or not exist. If anything can't immediately be explained by any non-believer or scientist, they consequently feel it safe to assume 'god did it'. For instance, if a rational person can't explain the origins of matter in the pub in the afternoon, then 'God did it'. Never mind reading the books and balancing likelihoods or arguments. Never mind all the apparently miraculous things science has explained. Never mind all the hours informed people have spent explaining how we know Neil Armstrong really was on the Moon, or that aliens didn't build the pyramids, they think any half-baked utube video just as good an explanation. Never mind the small likelihood that humanity would have found all the answers in the Universe so quickly and so soon. There is just an intellectual dimness to religious dogma and superstitions.

Religionists often say "everything happens for a reason". What they seem to suggest is that if humans don't readily understand the reason, or are not able to quickly explain it to the religionist, then it is reasonable to assume God did it!

They also don't worry about religious superstitions, absurdities or inconsistencies at all.

Finally, they seem to take little or no account of where they got their religious "convictions" from in the first place.



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Re: UK university students who "believe in" intelligent design!
on: June 22, 2019, 08:56

Quote from Alcuin on June 18, 2019, 10:51
Yes, I agree TL&AW, but I think that some people feel that 'nothing' means that, by definition, nothing can exist. "Nothing comes from nothing", as I think the Monty Python gang once said. That's part of the problem.

I would also add that religionists in particular, often seem to see fantastical coincidences everywhere. They don't seem to see that what is successful and what works tends to exist and what is less so tends to die out or not exist. If anything can't immediately be explained by any non-believer or scientist, they consequently feel it safe to assume 'god did it'. For instance, if a rational person can't explain the origins of matter in the pub in the afternoon, then 'God did it'. Never mind reading the books and balancing likelihoods or arguments. Never mind all the apparently miraculous things science has explained. Never mind all the hours informed people have spent explaining how we know Neil Armstrong really was on the Moon, or that aliens didn't build the pyramids, they think any half-baked utube video just as good an explanation. Never mind the small likelihood that humanity would have found all the answers in the Universe so quickly and so soon. There is just an intellectual dimness to religious dogma and superstitions.

Religionists often say "everything happens for a reason". What they seem to suggest is that if humans don't readily understand the reason, or are not able to quickly explain it to the religionist, then it is reasonable to assume God did it!

They also don't worry about religious superstitions, absurdities or inconsistencies at all.

Finally, they seem to take little or no account of where they got their religious "convictions" from in the first place.

With regard to where and how christards got their religious convictions from: many were indoctrinated by parents who themselves were likewise indoctrinated. Originally, it was inflicted on a population by a government that realised that, through the ignorance and superstition of religion, they could use and abuse and control the population.

This, however, doesn't explain all christards since some of them were born of irreligious families. What may explain these christards is 'Third Man Syndrome'.

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